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PTSD VETERANS CAN FACE DIFFICULTIES GETTING GUN

PERMITS -- Differing laws and vague wording on

applications can cause problems for PTSD vets

seeking gun ownership or carry permits.

 

 

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by Larry Scott

 

I get a fair amount of email from veterans who have been diagnosed with post-traumatic stress disorder (PTSD) asking about their rights to own or carry a weapon.

Well, as you will see in the story below, it can be pretty confusing.

There may be many layers of laws, depending on location... federal, state, county and municipal.

Let's start with federal.  To purchase a handgun you must pass a background check by the National Instant Criminal Background Check System (NICS).  Your best source for information about this, and other gun-related issues, is the National Rifle Association web site, here... http://www.nra.com/

The only stipulations in the NICS check that might reference PTSD are these:  Has been adjudicated as a mental defective or committed to a mental institution. 

It's important to note that a diagnosis of PTSD or treatment for PTSD does not put anyone in the "can't buy the gun" category.  Also, voluntary commitment (voluntarily seeking mental health treatment) is not a disqualifier.

Then, things get more difficult as we run into a maze of conflicting state, county and sometimes municipal regulations.  The vet in the story below was applying for a gun ownership (not carry) permit and had to be approved not only by NICS but by the city of Omaha, Nebraska. 

The problem he ran into was this on the local application:  You must "Not have a record of mental disorder."

What does that mean?  Actually, very little.  Does that mean a small bout of depression?  Or severe, chronic depression?  Or, treatment for alcohol dependence?  No one seems to know.

The vet in the story gave what he thought was an honest answer and got turned down for the gun ownership permit.  However, there is a happy ending... he appealed and won... and the City of Omaha is rethinking the wording on their application.

In the state where I live (Washington) you can own a gun with just a NICS check, but the purchase is registered with authorities.  To carry a gun, you must apply and the mental health question on the application from the issuing county reads:  Have you ever been confined in a mental health facility for more than fourteen days for treatment, or committed as criminally insane?  This mirrors, pretty closely, the federal standard and certainly doesn't pertain to PTSD diagnosis or treatment.

ADVICE TO VETS

If you, like the vet in the story, have a diagnosis of PTSD and have sought treatment, and want to own or carry a weapon, here are four tips.

1.  If there is a separate state, county or local application, read it carefully and understand the exact wording.  In most cases it will not apply to you (as in Washington).

2.  If the wording on the application is vague (like Omaha), seek local input from a licensed gun dealer, or head on over to the VFW or Legion and see what the Brother vets have to say about their experiences.

3.  If still unsure, call the issuing authority (or have a friend do it) and ask for their take on exactly what the rule means.  They will, most likely, be very exact in their explanation.

4.  Always be truthful.  Falsifying information on these applications is almost always a crime.

I believe it's time for the NRA to put on a huge push to standardize all local, county and state gun ownership / carry laws so that they conform to the federal standard.  I realize it's a "state's rights" issue, but the NRA could pump a few more membership dollars into lobbying so that gun laws apply some common sense and are uniform across the country.


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A marksman in Iraq; No gun permit in Omaha

BY KEVIN COLE


WORLD-HERALD STAFF WRITER

Sgt. Tim Mechaley trained fellow Marines to fire .50-caliber machine guns. He qualified as a marksman. He fought in the battle for Fallujah, Iraq, and received a combat medal with a "V" for valor.

Back home, he uses a rifle for target shooting.

Yet, when Mechaley sought to buy a 9-mm Ruger pistol for protection at his midtown apartment, the Omaha Police Department rejected his application for a gun permit.

"I was trusted by the {federal} government to carry a loaded weapon, but now I am not allowed to purchase one by my local government," he said.

Mechaley, 32, has received counseling for post-traumatic stress disorder related to his service in Iraq. While completing an application for a gun permit, he responded "yes" to a question that asked whether he was being treated for a mental disorder.

"I circled yes because I wanted to be completely honest," he said.

As explanation, he wrote "PTSD from Iraq Marine combat veteran" on the form.

Mechaley's application on Jan. 10 was rejected, he was told, because of that answer.

After talking with police, Mechaley said he had been "too truthful" on the application.

He started to research gun-permit laws and applications and concluded that Omaha's permit application was overly vague on its mental-disorder question.

"If I was actually mentally defective, it would have shown up on the (National Criminal Investigation Service) background check when I purchased my hunting rifle."

What the permit form should ask, he said, is whether the applicant has ever been pronounced mentally impaired or has been committed to a mental institution.

"That's what the (Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives) form asks, and that's a valid point," he said. "I feel the form at the Omaha Police Department is too broad and misses the point of our laws."

A psychiatry professor at the University of Nebraska Medical Center said, however, that having guns on hand could be too big of a risk for some with severe cases of PTSD.

Dr. Carl Greiner said he wasn't familiar with Mechaley's case and couldn't comment on it.

In general, he said, "There would be some specific instances where I would be concerned about someone owning a handgun because of public safety issues."

Using alcohol or drugs to deal with PTSD is a sign of potential trouble, Greiner said.

"That could result in lowered impulse control and the person might be more likely to use a gun," he said.

A gun permit also shouldn't be allowed when someone suffering from PTSD has a history of violence upon awakening, Greiner said.

"If that were the case and someone wanted to keep a handgun under their pillow, it could be a risk to family, friends and others," he said.

Many veterans suffer from PTSD, said Dr. Ahsan Naseem, director of the Lincoln post-traumatic stress disorder clinic of the Veterans Affairs Nebraska-Western Iowa Health Care System.

"It would be uncommon for a combat veteran to not be affected by combat, which is not to say that each combat veteran would suffer from PTSD," he said.

Naseem declined to comment on whether PTSD should be considered in granting gun permits.

Symptoms of PTSD can include powerful, intrusive memories that drill into day-to-day life. Nightmares, flashbacks and problems sleeping are common, too, he said.

Mechaley said his PTSD symptoms have improved with counseling.

While serving in Iraq in 2004 and '05, Mechaley watched eight friends die in combat. When he returned home, he began to suffer from flashbacks and had trouble sleeping. He was diagnosed with PTSD and started going to counseling.

In 2006, he was recalled to active duty to help train Marines to shoot.

He still serves in the Marine Reserves.

"I used to go in (to see the counselor) once a week while I was in the service, but everything is so much better now," he said. "I no longer have flashbacks or trouble sleeping, and I see the counselor only about once every three months."

Mechaley compiled his gun-permit research into an appeal. He took a vacation day recently from his job as a computer technician to present his case to the city's administrative board of appeals. He documented his claims of weapon proficiency, military service and valor.

If he had it to do over again, Mechaley told the appeals board, he would not have circled yes in reply to the question about being treated for a mental disorder.

"Some of our brave police officers also suffer from PTSD as a result of trauma in the line of duty, and they are allowed to carry a weapon," Mechaley wrote in a letter to the board.

Police department representatives who attended the hearing did not oppose Mechaley's appeal.

Appeals board member Garry Gernandt, a City Council member, encouraged Mechaley to take up the issue of how the question on the permit application is worded with Police Chief Eric Buske.

"The citizen needs to work with the city in a case like this," Gernandt said.

Buske later told The World-Herald that in response to Mechaley's case, the police department is looking into changing the question "so it's not quite so broad."

"We are reviewing our policy to ensure it is in compliance with the city ordinance," he said.

The department handled more than 4,500 gun registration applications in 2008. Of those, 39 were rejected. Twenty-three rejections were appealed, and nine of those were reversed.

The appeals board needed fewer than 10 minutes before voting 5-0 to grant Mechaley a gun permit.

Mechaley was relieved with the reversal, he said, but still hopes to convince the police department to change its gun-permit request form.

"There are a lot of combat veterans like me out there who come back and need some help to get over the trauma of war," Mechaley said. "I hope that my going through this will make it easier for the next guy to get a permit."



World-Herald Staff Writer Jason Kuiper contributed to this report.

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